franklin
09-19 11:31 PM
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Were you at the rally? Two most visible people were Franklin and Mark. Both are non-Indians.
But your point is well taken, let us know if you have any specific strategies to do this?f
Yeah - whats with this "EnglishMEN" thing... pffftttt....
:p
Were you at the rally? Two most visible people were Franklin and Mark. Both are non-Indians.
But your point is well taken, let us know if you have any specific strategies to do this?f
Yeah - whats with this "EnglishMEN" thing... pffftttt....
:p
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VaniSriram
07-18 10:02 AM
Hi All,
Please help me out here. CIO of the company I am working now as a full time employee is quitting and forming a new company. He would like to hire me for this new company. This is a start up company with 15 Million investment and a big venture capital company from NJ is also investing in the company. Would you guys see any potential problems here for H1b sponsorship?
Thanks for your reply.
Thanks,
Vani
Please help me out here. CIO of the company I am working now as a full time employee is quitting and forming a new company. He would like to hire me for this new company. This is a start up company with 15 Million investment and a big venture capital company from NJ is also investing in the company. Would you guys see any potential problems here for H1b sponsorship?
Thanks for your reply.
Thanks,
Vani
GCBy3000
07-17 03:54 PM
Will a part time MBA / executive MBA from reputed university do any trick for the existing H1b holders? I am not asking this for GC, but it is mere co-incidence with SKIL bill and my intention of doing MBA.
The very first para in August 2006 visa bulletin says...
This bulletin summarizes the availability of immigrant numbers during August. Consular officers are required to report to the Department of State documentarily qualified applicants for numerically limited visas; the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services in the Department of Homeland Security reports applicants for adjustment of status. Allocations were made, to the extent possible under the numerical limitations, for the demand received by July 10th in the chronological order of the reported priority dates.
MY COMMENTS:
In may it was Apr'08, then it was Apr'15 and now it is again Apr'01. So when the dates are in April 15, more people have applied for 485(than I have imagined) to consume the VISA availability quota. I wonder, if those many people are there from 2001 April and before to consume the quota, then when will the datel move to May'01. Forget about the visa dates moving to July/Aug/..Dec 01.
If the SKIL bill or any other provision is not passed into the law, it is always better to have a secondary plan to save the career at least. It is better to think our family and career assuming what we will be doing if the priority dates does not cross Dec'01 in the next five years.
I personally think to move back to India if I do not see anything by march next year. Already I am in the end of seventh year. If the SKIL bill is not passed, I donot want to do a MBA here by spending 40K(partime ,100K fulltime) and then doing a sr.software er job. With the spagetti law, I cannot change my roles whatever qualifications I add after applying for my GC. I have been postponing the idea of starting my MBA for long time becos I would like to file my 485 before I work on that. Otherwise it is waste of time, energy and money. What a HELL...............
IF the U.S Master's exception goes through, its pretty obvious that the DOS will tighten the screws on F1 Visa approvals by a magnitude of 100(unless F1 is made a dual intent visa... and that's like asking for the sky), and also USCIS will make in close to impossible to change non-immigrant visas status to F1( from say H1B). So it’s more than the 20K to get ahead of the line. The only benefit will be for folks already with a U.S Master's or it will be a new rat hole, fighting the Consulates/USCIS for F1 status.
The very first para in August 2006 visa bulletin says...
This bulletin summarizes the availability of immigrant numbers during August. Consular officers are required to report to the Department of State documentarily qualified applicants for numerically limited visas; the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services in the Department of Homeland Security reports applicants for adjustment of status. Allocations were made, to the extent possible under the numerical limitations, for the demand received by July 10th in the chronological order of the reported priority dates.
MY COMMENTS:
In may it was Apr'08, then it was Apr'15 and now it is again Apr'01. So when the dates are in April 15, more people have applied for 485(than I have imagined) to consume the VISA availability quota. I wonder, if those many people are there from 2001 April and before to consume the quota, then when will the datel move to May'01. Forget about the visa dates moving to July/Aug/..Dec 01.
If the SKIL bill or any other provision is not passed into the law, it is always better to have a secondary plan to save the career at least. It is better to think our family and career assuming what we will be doing if the priority dates does not cross Dec'01 in the next five years.
I personally think to move back to India if I do not see anything by march next year. Already I am in the end of seventh year. If the SKIL bill is not passed, I donot want to do a MBA here by spending 40K(partime ,100K fulltime) and then doing a sr.software er job. With the spagetti law, I cannot change my roles whatever qualifications I add after applying for my GC. I have been postponing the idea of starting my MBA for long time becos I would like to file my 485 before I work on that. Otherwise it is waste of time, energy and money. What a HELL...............
IF the U.S Master's exception goes through, its pretty obvious that the DOS will tighten the screws on F1 Visa approvals by a magnitude of 100(unless F1 is made a dual intent visa... and that's like asking for the sky), and also USCIS will make in close to impossible to change non-immigrant visas status to F1( from say H1B). So it’s more than the 20K to get ahead of the line. The only benefit will be for folks already with a U.S Master's or it will be a new rat hole, fighting the Consulates/USCIS for F1 status.
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shaikhshehzadali
03-21 09:10 AM
What the hell do u mean?
How many people in EB2 do a different job from EB3?
Most of the people in EB2 almost do the same programmer job. I have been in this country for a long time. I have friends who have done their MS from colleges like stanford, santa barbara. I don't see a difference in their role. I have more than 10 yrs of exp. I have worked in different roles too.
For jerks like u to come and talk abt people in EB3 being unskilled, makes me sick.
Shut the f*** up
And I think you need some reading lessons .... read my post ... the comparison is between categories for eg EB2 for IN/CHina vs EB3 for ROW
In any case the classification is not based on one's country of origin or individual's personal qualifications ... it is based on what the job requires. heck an individual having Phd can get a job which requires only 2 yrs study and no exp that doesnt mean that they are any less qualified that a person in EB1 for any country .... but the most value gained is in the EB1 category job....hence the argument.... nothing to do with where you are born or what individual qualifications you possess .... Im sure you are highly qualified and educated ... think and read ...
How many people in EB2 do a different job from EB3?
Most of the people in EB2 almost do the same programmer job. I have been in this country for a long time. I have friends who have done their MS from colleges like stanford, santa barbara. I don't see a difference in their role. I have more than 10 yrs of exp. I have worked in different roles too.
For jerks like u to come and talk abt people in EB3 being unskilled, makes me sick.
Shut the f*** up
And I think you need some reading lessons .... read my post ... the comparison is between categories for eg EB2 for IN/CHina vs EB3 for ROW
In any case the classification is not based on one's country of origin or individual's personal qualifications ... it is based on what the job requires. heck an individual having Phd can get a job which requires only 2 yrs study and no exp that doesnt mean that they are any less qualified that a person in EB1 for any country .... but the most value gained is in the EB1 category job....hence the argument.... nothing to do with where you are born or what individual qualifications you possess .... Im sure you are highly qualified and educated ... think and read ...
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kopra
04-18 03:26 PM
I also came with Fragomen filing my H1B case with one of below mentioned US company in ERP, and they started my GC only after 2.5 years of service with them. 2 Years was the norm, but another 6 months will pass to get the experience letters from previous companies with the exact format and tools they want etc...Finally filed in 2008 jan, but after the filing, it has been smooth for the labour, 140 so far...
HP, Cisco, TCS, Deloitte, IBM, SAP, ORCL....I am going to add one more so called big firm BEARINGPOINT (formerly known as KPMG consulting).
I know that Fragomen specifically guides and runs the visa/GC related matters of Bearingpoint. They charge 10,000 dollars for a GC case and give clear cut instrucation to Bearingpoint that do not file GC till the very last moment. I left Bearingpoint (16000+ employees and offices in 43 countries...sounds great doesn't it?) because of my immigration issues caused by Fragomen. I joined a desi consulting company with 2 employess. This desi company manager took my GC file in his hand, drove to attorney office and asked him to file it ASAP. No waiting period, no nothing....
Big corporation + Fragomen is a deadly/toxic combination. Stay away from it if you can.
HP, Cisco, TCS, Deloitte, IBM, SAP, ORCL....I am going to add one more so called big firm BEARINGPOINT (formerly known as KPMG consulting).
I know that Fragomen specifically guides and runs the visa/GC related matters of Bearingpoint. They charge 10,000 dollars for a GC case and give clear cut instrucation to Bearingpoint that do not file GC till the very last moment. I left Bearingpoint (16000+ employees and offices in 43 countries...sounds great doesn't it?) because of my immigration issues caused by Fragomen. I joined a desi consulting company with 2 employess. This desi company manager took my GC file in his hand, drove to attorney office and asked him to file it ASAP. No waiting period, no nothing....
Big corporation + Fragomen is a deadly/toxic combination. Stay away from it if you can.
chanduv23
09-07 07:19 AM
To all those fence sitters - this is the time to make up your mind.
LETS LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
Coming to the rally means - YOU WILL MEET YOUR IV FRIENDS - THOSE WHO HAVE DONE SELFLESS HELP AND SACRIFICES TO HELP YOU IN YOUR SITUATION UNLIKE YOUR EXISTING FRIENDS WHO ONLY SHARED YOUR SUCCESSES AND NOT TURN UP IN TIME OF NEED.
ISN'T IT EXCITING?????
SEE YOU ALL THERE ON 18TH.
LETS LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
Coming to the rally means - YOU WILL MEET YOUR IV FRIENDS - THOSE WHO HAVE DONE SELFLESS HELP AND SACRIFICES TO HELP YOU IN YOUR SITUATION UNLIKE YOUR EXISTING FRIENDS WHO ONLY SHARED YOUR SUCCESSES AND NOT TURN UP IN TIME OF NEED.
ISN'T IT EXCITING?????
SEE YOU ALL THERE ON 18TH.
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marlon2006
07-18 11:10 AM
Skills in general are typically formed by three components:
a) 1/3 - Formal hands-on Training
b) 1/3 - On the job experience
c) 1/3 - Reading, research on your own
If you have some indirect project experience by working as a programmer for example, I don't see why not you cannot do items a) and c) above. At least the PMP (or whatever certification you intend to take) will be ready when opportunities come and the training should help you expand your horizons. Good luck.
I really don't know, As some body suggested doing PMP, for doing the PMP certification you need to have a project management experience of few years right?
a) 1/3 - Formal hands-on Training
b) 1/3 - On the job experience
c) 1/3 - Reading, research on your own
If you have some indirect project experience by working as a programmer for example, I don't see why not you cannot do items a) and c) above. At least the PMP (or whatever certification you intend to take) will be ready when opportunities come and the training should help you expand your horizons. Good luck.
I really don't know, As some body suggested doing PMP, for doing the PMP certification you need to have a project management experience of few years right?
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ufo2002
11-08 03:04 PM
How does passing CIR help us? I didn't really have the energy to go thru the whole bill but it didn't specify what "line" those 20+million ppl who eventually get amnesty will be processed in. If they line up on EB3 or a supplementary bill in the future decides to allocate some EB3 to a "Schedule B" (just for example), then we are right back to where we started (but add more years to the waiting).
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eb3_nepa
07-05 11:20 AM
Please don't get your hopes up my friend. It's coming back...anything on July 2nd is coming back!
Oh trust me WE KNOW THAT. We're just testing the waters now with the USCIS agents :p
Oh trust me WE KNOW THAT. We're just testing the waters now with the USCIS agents :p
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vandanaverdia
09-10 03:02 PM
Guys... get off & come to DC & join the rally!!! This is your chance to make a difference!!!
SITTING ON THE FENCE HAS HELPED NOBODY!!!
SITTING ON THE FENCE HAS HELPED NOBODY!!!
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go_guy123
08-08 11:11 PM
Only option left for us is making 750k and invest in business in US, You get green card . Otherwise go bakc to india.
Yes if you are born in India, then US skilled immigration is closed for EB2/3...its over..finished. I realized this in 2005 itself and started preparing, applied for Canada
PR in 2006. Took GMAT and applied for MBA. I only applied for Canadian schools...not 1 US school...I learnt my lesson...fool me twice shame on me. In 2007, I got my Canada PR
and well my MBA admission. I paid resident tuition fees, got loans from Banks as I was a PR. The plan worked picture perfect.
Interestingly when I was applying for my MBA in Canada, one friend of mine was preaching to me to do in US and not Canada....well guess what ...he got his a** handed over to him and lost his job and is back in India. He applied to US top schools and thankfully he didnt get admission. Overwise I dont know what would have happened.
I am in touch with Indian student in US B-schools like Harvard as well. Their life is living hell now with 20+ lakh loans in India with parent's home as collateral. Employers run away like seeing ghosts moment you mention H1B.
Yes if you are born in India, then US skilled immigration is closed for EB2/3...its over..finished. I realized this in 2005 itself and started preparing, applied for Canada
PR in 2006. Took GMAT and applied for MBA. I only applied for Canadian schools...not 1 US school...I learnt my lesson...fool me twice shame on me. In 2007, I got my Canada PR
and well my MBA admission. I paid resident tuition fees, got loans from Banks as I was a PR. The plan worked picture perfect.
Interestingly when I was applying for my MBA in Canada, one friend of mine was preaching to me to do in US and not Canada....well guess what ...he got his a** handed over to him and lost his job and is back in India. He applied to US top schools and thankfully he didnt get admission. Overwise I dont know what would have happened.
I am in touch with Indian student in US B-schools like Harvard as well. Their life is living hell now with 20+ lakh loans in India with parent's home as collateral. Employers run away like seeing ghosts moment you mention H1B.
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02-13 12:38 PM
If you do some more research before writing you will realize that H1C are limited to 500 visas a year and the conditions for selecting the hospitals allowed to sponsor is so stringent only 14 hospitals or so in all US qualify. Here is some more info.
http://shusterman.com/h1cfaq.html
Also here is a list of 14 hospitals in all of US who qualify. There is not even 1 hospital that qualifies in majority of states.
http://shusterman.com/h1chosp.html
Hi,
Many posts on this thread suggest that there is no H1B type visa for nurses and so they have to come on only greencard; and that is why Health lobby is trying hard to GRAB 90K unused visas (note: I consider this as a grab because from skill/CIR bills; we are trying to recapture unused visas and make them available to ALL EB immigrants rather than allocating them to one special group). But according to this news item on immigration-law there seems a non-immigrant visa H1C available for nurses. Is this true? am I misreading this?
==========news item follows==================
02/13/2007: DOL Announcement of Processing of H-1C Labor Attestations
The Nursing Relief for Disadvantaged Areas Reauthorization Act of 2005 took effect December 20, 2006. The Act reauthorized the H-1C nonimmigrant nurses program, a program originally created by the Nursing Relief for Disadvantaged Areas Act of 1999. Under this program, eligible hospitals file attestations with the Department of Labor, Office of Foreign Labor Certification which, if approved, will support nonimmigrant worker petitions filed with the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. The Department of Health and Human Services has informed the Office of Foreign Labor Certification that the same hospitals eligible for the original program continue to be eligible. These were listed in the Department of Labor's Interim Final Rule implementing its portion of the H-1C program published on August 22, 2000 (65 Fed. Reg. 51138). The Employment and Training Administration, under the authority of the new public law, is reinstating the H-1C labor attestation program and is accepting applications by qualified hospitals. Eligible hospitals should be advised that the now-expired OFLC form (ETA 9081), Attestations by Facilities Temporarily Employing H-1C Nonimmigrant Aliens as Registered Nurses, has not been authorized by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) for current use. However, the OFLC will accept applications using the expired form until a new form is approved by the OMB. The attestations are made enforceable by the 2005 Act. ETA is in the process of revising the form under the OMB clearance process, and taking other appropriate regulatory action. Once approved by OMB, employers will be required to use only the new form.
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http://shusterman.com/h1cfaq.html
Also here is a list of 14 hospitals in all of US who qualify. There is not even 1 hospital that qualifies in majority of states.
http://shusterman.com/h1chosp.html
Hi,
Many posts on this thread suggest that there is no H1B type visa for nurses and so they have to come on only greencard; and that is why Health lobby is trying hard to GRAB 90K unused visas (note: I consider this as a grab because from skill/CIR bills; we are trying to recapture unused visas and make them available to ALL EB immigrants rather than allocating them to one special group). But according to this news item on immigration-law there seems a non-immigrant visa H1C available for nurses. Is this true? am I misreading this?
==========news item follows==================
02/13/2007: DOL Announcement of Processing of H-1C Labor Attestations
The Nursing Relief for Disadvantaged Areas Reauthorization Act of 2005 took effect December 20, 2006. The Act reauthorized the H-1C nonimmigrant nurses program, a program originally created by the Nursing Relief for Disadvantaged Areas Act of 1999. Under this program, eligible hospitals file attestations with the Department of Labor, Office of Foreign Labor Certification which, if approved, will support nonimmigrant worker petitions filed with the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. The Department of Health and Human Services has informed the Office of Foreign Labor Certification that the same hospitals eligible for the original program continue to be eligible. These were listed in the Department of Labor's Interim Final Rule implementing its portion of the H-1C program published on August 22, 2000 (65 Fed. Reg. 51138). The Employment and Training Administration, under the authority of the new public law, is reinstating the H-1C labor attestation program and is accepting applications by qualified hospitals. Eligible hospitals should be advised that the now-expired OFLC form (ETA 9081), Attestations by Facilities Temporarily Employing H-1C Nonimmigrant Aliens as Registered Nurses, has not been authorized by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) for current use. However, the OFLC will accept applications using the expired form until a new form is approved by the OMB. The attestations are made enforceable by the 2005 Act. ETA is in the process of revising the form under the OMB clearance process, and taking other appropriate regulatory action. Once approved by OMB, employers will be required to use only the new form.
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shukla77
11-15 01:34 PM
Though majority would not agree but I agree with your point.
Flower campaign wasnt started by iv (atleast not by the seniors), it slowly gathered momentum on its own and produced results .
Flower campaign wasnt started by iv (atleast not by the seniors), it slowly gathered momentum on its own and produced results .
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rraemv
06-13 04:44 PM
Hi,
I have a situation.I got a H1B transfer and i was working let it be z compsny.after few months i try to transfer to another company let it be X.before I start working over there in X company ,I gave my H1 for transfer.meanwhile i left the Z company and joined in new company let it be y.So in y company applied for H1B transfer meanwhile i got H1B approved from x company.But i havent work in X company even a single day.
I was working with Y company and I got regular paystubs everything with those things they applied for H1b transfer in my Y company.after few days we got a query that some evidence required .we provide the evidence also.now the case statues is "Evidence Received Case Processing Resumed".
and its taking time .Is there any problem .Will the case will be approved?
Is there any chance to deniel?If so,what have to do?
I have a situation.I got a H1B transfer and i was working let it be z compsny.after few months i try to transfer to another company let it be X.before I start working over there in X company ,I gave my H1 for transfer.meanwhile i left the Z company and joined in new company let it be y.So in y company applied for H1B transfer meanwhile i got H1B approved from x company.But i havent work in X company even a single day.
I was working with Y company and I got regular paystubs everything with those things they applied for H1b transfer in my Y company.after few days we got a query that some evidence required .we provide the evidence also.now the case statues is "Evidence Received Case Processing Resumed".
and its taking time .Is there any problem .Will the case will be approved?
Is there any chance to deniel?If so,what have to do?
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reve23
07-07 02:18 PM
com 'on. H4 process is known as Dependent Visa. You knew this before getting your "Babli" to the US. Let H4 prove the Credentials and Get H1 and then start seeing "Green".
Nobody asked you to get married :)[/QUOTE]
I really take exception to that comment. I have 2 Masters degrees (one from the US)...unfortunately they are not in Engineering/Science. What people don't seem to realize is that it is extemely difficult to get an H1-B if you are from a Humanities/Liberal Arts background. I'm a teacher and there are jobs in my field...the only problem is that school districts/community colleges/universities are unwilling to sponsor H1-Bs!
Nobody asked you to get married :)[/QUOTE]
I really take exception to that comment. I have 2 Masters degrees (one from the US)...unfortunately they are not in Engineering/Science. What people don't seem to realize is that it is extemely difficult to get an H1-B if you are from a Humanities/Liberal Arts background. I'm a teacher and there are jobs in my field...the only problem is that school districts/community colleges/universities are unwilling to sponsor H1-Bs!
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07-21 02:06 AM
Nice to see IV name in the list...
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06-30 07:00 PM
I am really concerned. Employers will lobby for increase in H1-B.
Well, at least most of them. If it comes to either H1-B or GC, they will obviously opt for H1-B increase.
So, if in the last minute, only H1-B is increased and not GC (Anything can happen behind closed doors negotiations) we will have more H1-B with the GC dream and suffering like us.
I think our Web fax should categorically state that we support Only GC related provisions in the skill bill. Else, at least, I plan not to sign the petition.
We don�t want to be supporting a cause outside of ours that will eventually indirectly
affect us. It will also affect many starry eyed new H1-Bs chasing their ever elusive GC dream. Haven�t we all had enough.
Excellent Point. Its defenitely not in any of the employer's interest to worry about EB issues. Infact they prefer people being in H1. and I certainly do not want to support that. There are good chances that congress increase H1 quota and we end up supporting the wrong cause. As far as IV is concerned, I would even go to the extent of saying that we should not support H1 causes, as there are enough candidates in H1 here undergoing EB problems. Thanks for bringing out an excellent point regarding this bill. My opinion is, if EB issues are not stressed properly, this bill will be viewed as "INCREASE FOR H1B BILL".. my 2 cents.
Well, at least most of them. If it comes to either H1-B or GC, they will obviously opt for H1-B increase.
So, if in the last minute, only H1-B is increased and not GC (Anything can happen behind closed doors negotiations) we will have more H1-B with the GC dream and suffering like us.
I think our Web fax should categorically state that we support Only GC related provisions in the skill bill. Else, at least, I plan not to sign the petition.
We don�t want to be supporting a cause outside of ours that will eventually indirectly
affect us. It will also affect many starry eyed new H1-Bs chasing their ever elusive GC dream. Haven�t we all had enough.
Excellent Point. Its defenitely not in any of the employer's interest to worry about EB issues. Infact they prefer people being in H1. and I certainly do not want to support that. There are good chances that congress increase H1 quota and we end up supporting the wrong cause. As far as IV is concerned, I would even go to the extent of saying that we should not support H1 causes, as there are enough candidates in H1 here undergoing EB problems. Thanks for bringing out an excellent point regarding this bill. My opinion is, if EB issues are not stressed properly, this bill will be viewed as "INCREASE FOR H1B BILL".. my 2 cents.
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arrarrgee
07-18 01:12 PM
LOL...Couldn't help myself after reading this thread... Guys who are frustrated..i totally commiserate with all of you who are stuck in BEC..All the july filers would be eligible to file for their 485s and would get their EAD's ad AP's a couple of months earlier than the folks stuck in BEC.The BEC folks would get them too when the dates move starting Oct 1st.
Its ultimately the PD thats important for the green card..since you already have your PD much before than the june fliers,you always have your place in the GC line. Unless you guys come and join us its not gonna move...
Its ultimately the PD thats important for the green card..since you already have your PD much before than the june fliers,you always have your place in the GC line. Unless you guys come and join us its not gonna move...
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sk.aggarwal
08-21 11:10 AM
I recently applied under 0213. I agree process is not as complicated as it sounds also I am not sure what value add a lawyer will do apart from keying information from you in the forms. My suggestion - do it on your own. Use this forum Skilled Worker / Professional Immigration (http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/skilled-worker-professional-immigration-b4.0/)
and this step by step guide
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/guides/EG7.pdf
and this step by step guide
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/guides/EG7.pdf
msyedy
02-12 12:12 PM
We have discussed a lot about things in this forum. Every person came up different thought, links etc and moreover our goal of adding I-485 in this feb bill.
After reading all the post mentioned by IV core, it is clear that no one can do anyting about it, there is no lobbyist that can force this to happen
So our struggle is useless, some may not agree to it because, they say they are pushing and trying to make voice that can be heard by the congress.
Congress did not listen to those million illegals on what grounds we expect our voice to be heard.
I say it again, our struggle is useless. When they wish then only something might happen.
ASTA LA VISTA
After reading all the post mentioned by IV core, it is clear that no one can do anyting about it, there is no lobbyist that can force this to happen
So our struggle is useless, some may not agree to it because, they say they are pushing and trying to make voice that can be heard by the congress.
Congress did not listen to those million illegals on what grounds we expect our voice to be heard.
I say it again, our struggle is useless. When they wish then only something might happen.
ASTA LA VISTA
asanghi
09-19 05:02 PM
To everyone who thinks rallies dont make a difference, as described here : http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13583
This is not an attack post. Or a criticizing post. This is purely educational and please keep this thread clean.
I know there are many out there who are snickering in their cubicles looking at the pictures of the rally and thinking "Look at these idiots, they think Congress will pass SKIL bill because they walked 1.2 miles with some placards and banners".
Such thinking is reasonable. But only if you dont know how things work.
Here is why rally of Sept 18th will be consequential:
1. When you do a rally, people notice. People recognize organization and measure its strength. It stays in their heads for a long time and they keep Immigration Voice as one of the organizations they can ask for support when they push for their own cause. In Congress, things work based on compromise, consensus and consultation. People dont just sponsor legislations they believe in. They run it thru their caucus and leadership and do a vote count. To find out how many votes would they get if they came up with this new idea. Whether it will get 218 votes in House. Whether they will get 51 votes in senate. If its filibuster proof and get 61 votes in Senate. Whether it has committee support. Whether leadership offices are in agreement to put it in schedule. All this happens in background and there are people who are hired in committees just to do vote counts on proposed ideas. IF it turns out they dont find enough support, they drop it. If they think they can pull it off, they approach leadership (Speaker in House, Maj leader in Senate) to put it in queue.
2. Let us say that Congressman X wants to sponser SKIL bill because of his constituency or a senator (like Feinstein) wants to sponsor AgJobs because food growers are having food rotten in absence of agricultural workers, a compelling cause. Now, when they want to pass legislation, they have to look for support and votes as described in item 1. When they fall short, they find ways to sweeten the pot. IF they see that a powerful organization will throw in their support and lobbying in favor of their bill if they attach a few of that organization's provisions, then they approach them. Immigration Voice did 138 lawmakers meetings (in House and Senate). They did the rally. They would consider IV as a organization that can help them PUSH for their legislation. Now we have a place at the negotiating table. If they attach our provisions (like recapture, or GC quota increase), then we can promise to do something for them. Like support the entire bill they are pushing for. They know that we can do rallies and we can do hundreds of lawmaker meetings. If Diane Feinstein (just an example) thinks that by adding skilled employment based reform provisions she can get IV's support and swing a few votes to help her pass her favorite AgJobs bill, then we have opportunity where the Senator would ask us what we want rather than us going and asking them to do things for us. One of IV members said that on the day of the rally, suddenly the office of her senator called her and scheduled and appointment to meet the same day at 4:00 PM. She had been trying to get the appointment but after they rally and Roll call newspaper ad (http://immigrationvoice.org/media/forums/iv/rollcal3a.pdf), they called her to listen to her. I heard about this from her just as the rally was over.
3. CIR has recently failed. From some meetings, I got the feeling that CIR's failure has left a bad taste in mouth and many people in Congress as well as administration are very upset about it still. Now that we have done this rally, done lawmaker meetings, put a rollcall ad, did the media blitz, press conference, congressional reception (where 4 congressmen attended and spoke in IV's support), they know that it would be a good idea to keep IV on their side and put some of their things in a bill. Next time they write a bill (behind closed doors very often), they will consult us and ask us if they can do something for IV to win IV's full support. That's because by getting IV's support on their side for whatever they are doing, they can be assured that we wont oppose it but instead support it. With phone calls, Rallies, paid ads, lawmaker meetings etc. If they are really investing in getting a bill passed, they would include our provisions just to increase the odds.
Strength respects strength. If we have the strength to do things and make a difference (rallies, meetings, receptions, press conferences, paid ads), then that strength begets more strenght because other powers want us to join hands with them so that they can do their favorite things (AgJobs, DREAM etc).
I thought the rally helps bring attention to our cause and put pressure. I never knew so many things go on behind the scenes.
I think by the time we get our green cards, we all will be experts in the nitty gritty of American Politics
This is not an attack post. Or a criticizing post. This is purely educational and please keep this thread clean.
I know there are many out there who are snickering in their cubicles looking at the pictures of the rally and thinking "Look at these idiots, they think Congress will pass SKIL bill because they walked 1.2 miles with some placards and banners".
Such thinking is reasonable. But only if you dont know how things work.
Here is why rally of Sept 18th will be consequential:
1. When you do a rally, people notice. People recognize organization and measure its strength. It stays in their heads for a long time and they keep Immigration Voice as one of the organizations they can ask for support when they push for their own cause. In Congress, things work based on compromise, consensus and consultation. People dont just sponsor legislations they believe in. They run it thru their caucus and leadership and do a vote count. To find out how many votes would they get if they came up with this new idea. Whether it will get 218 votes in House. Whether they will get 51 votes in senate. If its filibuster proof and get 61 votes in Senate. Whether it has committee support. Whether leadership offices are in agreement to put it in schedule. All this happens in background and there are people who are hired in committees just to do vote counts on proposed ideas. IF it turns out they dont find enough support, they drop it. If they think they can pull it off, they approach leadership (Speaker in House, Maj leader in Senate) to put it in queue.
2. Let us say that Congressman X wants to sponser SKIL bill because of his constituency or a senator (like Feinstein) wants to sponsor AgJobs because food growers are having food rotten in absence of agricultural workers, a compelling cause. Now, when they want to pass legislation, they have to look for support and votes as described in item 1. When they fall short, they find ways to sweeten the pot. IF they see that a powerful organization will throw in their support and lobbying in favor of their bill if they attach a few of that organization's provisions, then they approach them. Immigration Voice did 138 lawmakers meetings (in House and Senate). They did the rally. They would consider IV as a organization that can help them PUSH for their legislation. Now we have a place at the negotiating table. If they attach our provisions (like recapture, or GC quota increase), then we can promise to do something for them. Like support the entire bill they are pushing for. They know that we can do rallies and we can do hundreds of lawmaker meetings. If Diane Feinstein (just an example) thinks that by adding skilled employment based reform provisions she can get IV's support and swing a few votes to help her pass her favorite AgJobs bill, then we have opportunity where the Senator would ask us what we want rather than us going and asking them to do things for us. One of IV members said that on the day of the rally, suddenly the office of her senator called her and scheduled and appointment to meet the same day at 4:00 PM. She had been trying to get the appointment but after they rally and Roll call newspaper ad (http://immigrationvoice.org/media/forums/iv/rollcal3a.pdf), they called her to listen to her. I heard about this from her just as the rally was over.
3. CIR has recently failed. From some meetings, I got the feeling that CIR's failure has left a bad taste in mouth and many people in Congress as well as administration are very upset about it still. Now that we have done this rally, done lawmaker meetings, put a rollcall ad, did the media blitz, press conference, congressional reception (where 4 congressmen attended and spoke in IV's support), they know that it would be a good idea to keep IV on their side and put some of their things in a bill. Next time they write a bill (behind closed doors very often), they will consult us and ask us if they can do something for IV to win IV's full support. That's because by getting IV's support on their side for whatever they are doing, they can be assured that we wont oppose it but instead support it. With phone calls, Rallies, paid ads, lawmaker meetings etc. If they are really investing in getting a bill passed, they would include our provisions just to increase the odds.
Strength respects strength. If we have the strength to do things and make a difference (rallies, meetings, receptions, press conferences, paid ads), then that strength begets more strenght because other powers want us to join hands with them so that they can do their favorite things (AgJobs, DREAM etc).
I thought the rally helps bring attention to our cause and put pressure. I never knew so many things go on behind the scenes.
I think by the time we get our green cards, we all will be experts in the nitty gritty of American Politics
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